Not real comfortable with a musical making fun of someone's religion.
Why? What is special about religion that it shouldn't be made fun of?
Because it's something one believes in (and by definition can't be proven) and it seems a bit cruel to do so.
Plus, there's a difference between making fun of something in casual conversation and devoting a musical show on Broadway to it. What if I wrote a Broadway musical making fun of your mom? Or Democrats?
If my mom/Democrats was/were a major reason that people were dying or being made to suffer, then I probably wouldn't have a problem with that.
Don't get me wrong: I think people should be able to believe whatever they want. But when the thing they believe has a powerful effect on billions of other people, I think it becomes fair game.
(Notice that nobody gets on the case of the Jains or the Unitarians in this way)
So I assume we're not just talking about Prop 8 here?
I guess the problem I see is that it's hard to separate making fun of the Mormon church and making fun of people who are in the church.
Well, I see Prop 8 as one of those ways that people's unprovable beliefs negatively affect the lives of others, thus opening up those unprovable beliefs to scrutiny (including mockery).
Aren't the two things you talk about the same thing? I mean, if you don't agree with the Mormon church, do you have any business being a Mormon?
Let's think about this in terms of a different issue. I think that if someone wants to subscribe to the tenets of young-earth creationism, that is fine by me. As soon as that person tries to negatively affect my child's education as a result of those beliefs, however, I think that it is my duty to defend my child's education, even if that means making fun of that other person's beliefs. If they had kept them to themselves, that would be another story altogether.
So, to be clear, you're talking about evangelizing here?
I'm talking about something more broad than evangelizing.
I'm talking about any action that someone takes as a result (solely) of their religious beliefs that has a negative effect on others.
They could be evangelizing, they could be burning at the stake. Either way.
Well, to a point, but you can disagree with some aspects of the Mormon church and still be a member. I don't agree with all of the policies of the Democratic party, yet I consider myself a Democrat.
There's no tenet of the Democratic party that says the party is right on every issue and that every other party is an abomination before God. There's no tenet of the Democratic party that says Howard Dean is the inerrant servant of an infallible being and that every word he utters in the capacity of Chairman of the DNC is the pronouncement of that infallible being. This is the problem with a lot of religions (including Mormonism) - they claim to have a monopoly on truth, so you kinda have to be entirely with them or entirely against them.
I left the Catholic Church because I realized I didn't agree with most of the theology AND the non-theological bits (anti-gay, etc.) were making me uncomfortable. But it took both of these things for me to up and leave (and the leaving took 7 years). Just throwin' that out there.
I also left the Catholic Church after a while of being uncomfortable with various parts of it. But it also took me a while - generally a religion isn't something you just up and leave, especially since for a lot of people you are a particular religion because you were raised that way.
I would pay to attend a Broadway musical making fun of Kurt's mom.
I paid to attend your mom last night.
It will probably be on par with Dogma, which was pretty critical of the Catholic Church. Any institution is fair game to be mocked and satired. If espouse any viewpoint being it factual or opinion in the public forum, you have to be willing to accept the scrutiny of that. And that scrutiny can be peer reviewed academic journals or broadway musical spoofs.
Yeah, but Dogma was kinda dumb. I'm hoping it's more like Avenue Q.
Uhh. Off topic from the debate here, here's a link I thought you would like, Greg!http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/magazine/23Netflix-t.html
Also, I was wondering, would you think the algorithm could be made more effective if a little bit of personal data could be released (age & sex are what I'm thinking)?
Thanks! I did like it :-)
They talk a little bit about this in the article. I think age & sex are a decent first approximation, but considering how well they're doing already it might be more of a red herring than anything, since age & sex are probably less indicative of what movies you'd like than what other movies you like.